My other suggestion is that the BCG off target effects are nullified by the Covid "vaccines." I've heard this theory before about BCG it was given to my younger daughter when she was born in Thailand. I have always considered it better than most. But if they're trying to kill us and make a profit doing so, it's obviously gotta go...
There were suggestions about BCG very early on — in 2020 as things were breaking out in asia generally, but Japan seemed spared. In that case still think it more likely the ‘flu’ outbreak that was closing schools there in Fall ‘19 was really covid, and could have brought some immunity.
Would be nice to see an explanation why BCG in particular would offer some protection here. The possible diabetes connection is interesting, but also wonder to what extent results like this are statistical bias (have one of Mathew Crawford’s posts in mind: https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/proof-of-statistical-sieves-in-vaccine?r=r6d2x&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web) in the study, or… does it not actually matter _which_ vaccination one gets injected with, that there is a general immune response that can happen when being vaccinated for anything?
There are confounding elements in all of these studies but I do agree that the example given by Guy Gin should merit further research. A lot of bad science has certainly been carried out without consideration of controlling for obvious things that should be controlled for. In general Asia even throughout the latest outbreaks has fared better than Europe or USA. Is that because of lower body mass? Genetics? Hospital practices that incentivize Covid deaths in one area while minimizing Covid deaths in another? Could the BCG shot play a role? Facemasks were never a thing in Thailand despite what Deborah Birx wrote. She mentioned being in Thailand in 2004 and being impressed by all of the facemask wearing people. I was in Thailand in 2004 and never saw a single person wear one. I don't know what explains the Asia paradox. Maybe all of the above?
I would suspect it more likely Birx had no idea what country she was in & was confusing with Japan? Though even then pre-covid it would have had to have been allergy season maybe. GG has lots of good ideas here on what’s up in Japan at least, but pre covid they weren’t for personal protection that I could tell, but out of politeness to prevent giving what cold you might have to others, or even if allergic avoiding giving the impression that you were spreading what you have…
AH — 2004. Bet she was thinking (using a loose meaning of “thinking”) of Taiwan and SARS (1) outbreak?
Thought there was a BCG study early on in covid that compared African countries… I still would want to play a game of “pick random shot, see if you can prove covid benefit”. If only there were a many thousands strong scientific discipline free and able to address interesting questions like this…
It's an interesting hypothesis, but I think the BCG vaccine was mandatory in many countries in Europe too, so the people aged 60+ should have been protected there as well, but the data doesn't seem to show this protection. Am I missing something?
I had BCG, and my Covid case was nasty. With the loss of smell/taste. Thanks for nothing. Maybe I'm an exception, but still.
BTW, the loss of smell/taste has nothing to do with neuron/olfactory bulb damage. I vividly remember feeling like the inside of my nose (mucous membrane) was being burnt, in the middle of the night, 2-3 days into it. Next morning - no smell, little taste. Recovered smell/taste in 5-6 days.
Aha — good you recovered! So this is where the Tokyo-173 strain argument maybe comes in, but of course then they need to do their study with whatever was used in Europe and this… Or its all study bias… And anyway even this study is really low statistics to say too much…
Also a data point — just looked BCG up in VAERS. Since 1995, 84 reports total, NONE with ‘DIED’==‘Y’. That number is like infinitely more for mRNA, or for nonfatal 10,000 times more (though that even comparing a 27 year span to a 1.5 year span)
So in terms of a safe thing to try and see how it goes, pretty clear what my vote would be…
Formatting probably won’t work but VAERS reports as of a few weeks ago (US only):
Perhaps the Japs developed immunities from their stinky trains. I was so surprised that most Japs don't wash before they set off for work. So much for the media bulla reputation for cleanliness and tidiness.
My other suggestion is that the BCG off target effects are nullified by the Covid "vaccines." I've heard this theory before about BCG it was given to my younger daughter when she was born in Thailand. I have always considered it better than most. But if they're trying to kill us and make a profit doing so, it's obviously gotta go...
There were suggestions about BCG very early on — in 2020 as things were breaking out in asia generally, but Japan seemed spared. In that case still think it more likely the ‘flu’ outbreak that was closing schools there in Fall ‘19 was really covid, and could have brought some immunity.
Would be nice to see an explanation why BCG in particular would offer some protection here. The possible diabetes connection is interesting, but also wonder to what extent results like this are statistical bias (have one of Mathew Crawford’s posts in mind: https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/proof-of-statistical-sieves-in-vaccine?r=r6d2x&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web) in the study, or… does it not actually matter _which_ vaccination one gets injected with, that there is a general immune response that can happen when being vaccinated for anything?
There are confounding elements in all of these studies but I do agree that the example given by Guy Gin should merit further research. A lot of bad science has certainly been carried out without consideration of controlling for obvious things that should be controlled for. In general Asia even throughout the latest outbreaks has fared better than Europe or USA. Is that because of lower body mass? Genetics? Hospital practices that incentivize Covid deaths in one area while minimizing Covid deaths in another? Could the BCG shot play a role? Facemasks were never a thing in Thailand despite what Deborah Birx wrote. She mentioned being in Thailand in 2004 and being impressed by all of the facemask wearing people. I was in Thailand in 2004 and never saw a single person wear one. I don't know what explains the Asia paradox. Maybe all of the above?
I would suspect it more likely Birx had no idea what country she was in & was confusing with Japan? Though even then pre-covid it would have had to have been allergy season maybe. GG has lots of good ideas here on what’s up in Japan at least, but pre covid they weren’t for personal protection that I could tell, but out of politeness to prevent giving what cold you might have to others, or even if allergic avoiding giving the impression that you were spreading what you have…
AH — 2004. Bet she was thinking (using a loose meaning of “thinking”) of Taiwan and SARS (1) outbreak?
Thought there was a BCG study early on in covid that compared African countries… I still would want to play a game of “pick random shot, see if you can prove covid benefit”. If only there were a many thousands strong scientific discipline free and able to address interesting questions like this…
It's an interesting hypothesis, but I think the BCG vaccine was mandatory in many countries in Europe too, so the people aged 60+ should have been protected there as well, but the data doesn't seem to show this protection. Am I missing something?
I had BCG, and my Covid case was nasty. With the loss of smell/taste. Thanks for nothing. Maybe I'm an exception, but still.
BTW, the loss of smell/taste has nothing to do with neuron/olfactory bulb damage. I vividly remember feeling like the inside of my nose (mucous membrane) was being burnt, in the middle of the night, 2-3 days into it. Next morning - no smell, little taste. Recovered smell/taste in 5-6 days.
Aha — good you recovered! So this is where the Tokyo-173 strain argument maybe comes in, but of course then they need to do their study with whatever was used in Europe and this… Or its all study bias… And anyway even this study is really low statistics to say too much…
So interesting.
I thought the province of Quebec used to use BCG? I know I came across a lot of seniors that were vaccinated with it.
I wonder if Quebec has any data on this?
Also a data point — just looked BCG up in VAERS. Since 1995, 84 reports total, NONE with ‘DIED’==‘Y’. That number is like infinitely more for mRNA, or for nonfatal 10,000 times more (though that even comparing a 27 year span to a 1.5 year span)
So in terms of a safe thing to try and see how it goes, pretty clear what my vote would be…
Formatting probably won’t work but VAERS reports as of a few weeks ago (US only):
Type / COVID19 (2021-22) / BCG (1995-2022)
all (fatal+nonfatal) / 827,993 / 84
fatal / 13,733 / 0
AND THEN the efficacy numbers in the paper above are hugely better than anything presented for children, especially <5’s for mRNA
OK that last bit was supposed to be a table. I’ll add punctuation I guess
Re-vaccination with BCG is also showing promise in reversing Type-1 diabetes
https://www.faustmanlab.org/clinical-trials/#diabetes
There is no such thing as 'safe and effective' vaxx against COVID-19, because there is no 'virus' to protect against.
All vaxxes are poisons.
Stop injecting poisons into blood stream.
Man, the mRNA shots really are the gift that keeps on giving. What can’t they fuck up?
Perhaps the Japs developed immunities from their stinky trains. I was so surprised that most Japs don't wash before they set off for work. So much for the media bulla reputation for cleanliness and tidiness.